Kinky on O'Reilly Factor (May 5)

O'REILLY: "Unresolved problem" segment tonight, at this point, the Reverend Wright's story is winding down, but not fast enough for DNC chief Howard Dean.

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WALLACE: Governor, are you suggesting that bringing up Jeremiah Wright is race baiting and hate and divisive?

DEAN: Yes, I am suggesting that kind of stuff. I think when you start bringing up candidates that have nothing to do with the issues -- when you start bringing up things that have nothing to do with the candidate and nothing to do with the issues, that's race baiting and that's exactly what it is. Just like Willie Horton was race baiting so many years ago.

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O'REILLY: Well, I think that's bull. The Wright story goes to judgment, which is very important. And this guy Wright just can't seem to stay out of the news cycle. "Newsweek" magazine's now reporting that Oprah left his church because of the controversial things he preached. And "The New York Post" says that Reverend Wright actually stole a parishioners wife. The guy is a one man tabloid machine.
The question is, should the press continue with this? Joining us now from Austin, man of the people, Kinky Freedman. And Washington, FOX News political analyst Juan Williams.

So should we just dump this write out of here and go on to whatever, Juan?

JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, you know, actually CNN took it a step farther. You know, they had an interview with Barack Obama. And they simply said this is going to be a Wright-free zone. And so, between Howard Dean and CNN, what they basically say is, you know, hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no Wright even when Wright is wrong.

But I think that the fact is that this attached to Barack Obama. And unlike Willie Horton, this is a self-inflicted wound, Bill. So what you get is that people are looking not just at judgment, but character and saying, you know, why did he sit there 20 years? Is this something that tells me something about this individual in a way that all the platitudes, all the appeals across racial lines, all the same -- that he's post partisan, he's a healer. Is this who we really...

O'REILLY: But what do you think when Dean says it's racist to continue to talk about it or to talk about it at all.

WILLIAMS: Oh, please. Oh, look, you know what? I think, you know, can I tell you from the Clinton camp from sources there they think Howard Dean is -- wants them gone and that this is an effort to put the Republicans back on their heels before the fall because, guess what, you have to understand that the Reverend Wright may be hitting the tabloids and the channels now. It's going to be bigger in the fall. And what Howard Dean is doing is, one, saying let's get it off the table and help Obama over the finish line for the Democratic primaries.

O'REILLY: OK.

WILLIAMS: And secondly...

O'REILLY: And we (INAUDIBLE) a racist thing...

WILLIAMS: Let's make sure that the Republicans know we're going to say they're racist the minute they say anything like this in the fall.

O'REILLY: OK. Now Kinky, you know, as a person who has to do this every day, I'm a little tired of Reverend Wright. I'm a little tired about hearing about him. If there's something new, I read in "The New York Post" article, you know, did he do it? I don't know. You know, Oprah, that she don't like him, you know, who knows. But should I continue on this Wright track? Or should I just let it go?

KINKY FRIEDMAN: Well, Bill, the -- we've come a long, long way from Martin Luther King in this country, who was a man of courage, a man of compassion, a true Christian, and somebody who never gave into hate. No matter what they did to Martin Luther King, he never gave into hate.

Today, we've got this black on black crime. You've got these three reverends, Sharpton, Jackson, and now Wright. And the three of them, I believe, are privately praying for Obama to fail. I really think that.

O'REILLY: So they can run out and say see white America, blah, blah, blah.

FRIEDMAN: Well, the Democrats will never talk to any of the three of them again if Obama wins. They won't need guys like this. And quite frankly, it's -- the three of them it's amazing how little they learned from Dr. King.

O'REILLY: You know, if -- Juan, if Barack Obama comes in here, as he, you know, says he's trying to fit us in, and I'm glad, by the way, you guys fit us in tonight. I'm glad you guys did that.

FRIEDMAN: I'm happy to be here.

O'REILLY: But I have two questions. That's all about Wright for Barack Obama. I'm not going to say what they are. But I'm not going to spin -- I watched Russert spend 20 minutes yesterday getting nothing out of him. All right? I didn't learn anything. It was just a total waste of time.

Not that to diminish. Russert is a skilled interviewer. But it was - - I'm like why am I listening to this? And I -- you know, it was ridiculous.

I've got two pithy right to the point questions. But I feel that, you know, I hate to agree with Howard Dean on anything because he ruined the state of Vermont, one of my favorite states. You know, it might be time to take a look at something else, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Sure, well you can move on. But here's the thing. The super delegates have to make a decision, Bill, because ultimately, this comes to them. Neither candidate's going to get the 2025 to claim the nomination outright. Obama, if it just stays as it is.

Unlike what Newt Gingrich says, you know, is you bring in Florida and Michigan. But just stays as t is. Then he has a slight lead, but he still doesn't have it outright. And it goes to the super delegates.

And then, what Sharpton said to you comes into play, which is oh, people will be in the streets. And especially, remember what he's really saying. Black people will be in the streets as if black people aren't rational and thoughtful. And then he's going to say and therefore just as a matter of principle, we'll give it to Obama even though it looks like Obama would get trounced in the fall. And the real prize in this whole game the White House would go to John McCain. Does that make sense?

O'REILLY: I don't know. And I don't care. Let the -- both political parties do what they want. Hey, Kinky, while I have you, real quick. I'm going to interview John McCain on Thursday. Do you have a questions you want me to ask him?

FRIEDMAN: No. Well, I think it's great the way he handled the immigration thing. I mean, it didn't work out. I understand that. But he grappled with it in a human kind of way. And you know...

O'REILLY: Do you want me to tell him that you think that he grappled with it in a human kind of way?

FRIEDMAN: Well, he said who would Jesus deport? And of course, there's 12 million of these illegals living here.

O'REILLY: Yes.

FRIEDMAN: And half of them whom are named Jesus.

O'REILLY: Well, listen, as a Catholic who talks to Jesus as much as I can, I can tell the world that Jesus would deport Juan Williams. And that would be it.

FRIEDMAN: That's...

O'REILLY: The only guy...

WILLIAMS: Hey, Bill?

O'REILLY: Yo?

WILLIAMS: Hey ,Bill, before you go, what did you think of Hillary? People say she's a liar, dishonest. and deceitful person. What did you think?

O'REILLY: Listen, I left there with my wallet intact. And she was very professional. That's all I can tell you, guys. I had 40 minutes with the woman. I can't psycho analyze her. All right, guys. Thank you very much.

Plenty more ahead as "The Factor" moves along this evening. Tragedy at the Kentucky Derby as 8 Bells is euthanized after the race. How could that happen? And then should a high school teacher who wears a bikini in public be fired? Kelly and Wiehl on that. And we hope you stay tuned for those reports.